Chris 3 I would prefer toeless compression socks that reach my toes, but these only go down to mid-foot. At the top, they barely reach over my knees. Also, the top is rated only an 8 for compression, and it turns out that 8 is not very tight at all. They are okay around the ankles, but I wanted something with tighter compression around the calf and knees. The construction seems good, and if I had shorter legs and feet (my shoe size is 30cm) and wanted only mild compression, maybe these would be great.